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Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:28:00 -
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Originally Happy ending declared war against Emperor Throne Guards because they wanted to prevent them making isk by fw plexing in area where Happy endings staged.
So whole war is about isk.
Demanding some isk for ending this war is justified because it is war about isk.
If you calculate that one char made about 20b in a week in FW and EMPE has 10 members and war lasted about 8 weeks you can end up to numbers that are pretty big.
So starting isk war against people considered as blue/allies and then saying that it is unfair if enemy wants to continue war is just epic.
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Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:57:00 -
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teroarea wrote:Quote:Re: war From: Bad Messenger Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08 To: ev3rmor3,
I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.
Yours Bad Messenger
war From: ev3rmor3 Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08 To: Bad Messenger,
I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation. ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance. This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on. PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has
I cleary can accept your view point in this matter, you wanted to cause isk losses for our friends and you are not willing to compensate possible caused losses and you want to continue this mutual war after all.
I do not see how CCP is failed because we both agreed that this war can be mutual.
As this thread shows current wardec systems is working as intended. |

Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:04:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable. This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.
There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are. |

Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:16:00 -
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Slasher88 wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable. This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are. Comming from a dude that was warned for using exploits to bear. people should really trust you right ....
we all are warned about using exploits, just read eula, I have never exploited anything or i have never got personal warning about using exploits, all i have ever done is working as intended and confirmed from ccp.
As in this matter route out of situation is to leave corp and make new one, if you are not willing to use it , it does not make me or any other as exploiter.
And for Bugsy VanHalen i want to say that CCP hardly can ban you if you have inactive account. EMPE is not even inactive corporation, everyday some of those members log in and even undock. |

Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:26:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P.
So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive?  |

Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:44:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P. So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive?  No they could ban you for exploiting a flawed mechanic for the purpose of grieving. According to the EULA grieving is a banable offense. According to the EULA using exploits is also a banable offense. When CCP imposes a ban they can ban all accounts linked to the same I.P. if they so choose. You are obviously not using the war mechanics as intended, As your alt character, in your alt corp, who is involved in the war and keeping it active, is on an inactive account. The fact that their is no mechanic for dealing with this issue makes this an exploit. The fact that you are using this exploit to grieve an active player on an active account is a violation of the EULA. The fact that you do not understand this seriously diminishes your credibility.
Purpose of grieving? No, as we came to conclusion that both are willing to continue this war, even willing to expand, mutual is just right thing, not grieving on anyway.
Offering surrending terms and not accepting those is not grieving, it is just failed diplomacy and negotiation, and when that happens war starts or continues. |

Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:52:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ".
Some people might learn something about new wardec mechanics in this thread. |

Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:22:00 -
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dark torr wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Cynthia Nezmor wrote:It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ". Some people might learn something . yeah we do .. it's clearly that CCP FAILS
just read their devblog about issue and reasons why things are how they are. |

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Posted - 2012.10.26 22:20:00 -
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Slasher88 wrote:hey bad meesanger no reply u got wrdeced ony your main corp and u surrendered and now act high an mighty :)) the plot thickens
We are just carebears not any pvp players. |

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Posted - 2012.10.26 23:32:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.
PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.
Sure i am ready to negotiate about terms of surrender, but it seems that our vision about how much is proper amount of isk is so much different that they can not accept it.
They do not realise that potential income for EMPE in time of that war was about 1600b so couple millions for ending war seems pretty pathetic amount of isk compared to potetial damage taken.
Also their participation on alliance who wardecs own militia is not any reason to lower demands either.
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Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:05:00 -
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dark torr wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:dark torr wrote:what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0 Incorrect. They were in militia for 5 days and participated in war against Nasranite Watch. Happy Endings 2012.10.09 to 2012.10.14 and ther war started on 14 .. how the **** did they participated 5 days in war ?? You need math lessons ??? I
think once again |

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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:49:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe. But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with  (Unless you are a member of froggie militia) Best spadework ever. "Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!" You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs.
GM is not getting us or they are not even interested about it, there is no exploits or exploiting on this case, everything is working as intended. |

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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:25:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.
PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right. The mechanic it self is not an exploit but how they are using it is. The idea behind the new mechanics is that you better be careful who you declare war on as you may not be able to take it back. So they were against the war, and left the alliance, but did not get out in time to avoid the mutual war dec. That in itself is fine. working as intended. But now that war is perpetuated by a corp that is run by inactive alts. They are keeping this war going at zero cost, and zero risk as all their alts that are keeping it active are on inactive accounts. This is where the exploit comes in. They have a corp locked in a permanent war, with zero risk to them selves, while preventing the other corp for accessing game content due to a perpetual war they are unable to fight as the other side is inactive accounts. And yet there is no way to shed this war. Although the mechanic it self is not an exploit, they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used, and in so are grieving another corp at zreo risk and cost to themselves. When the GOONS made trillions of isk off the new FW mechanics they where using the new mechanic within its limits as it was designed to work. But yet CCP considered that an exploit to the point where accounts where frozen and the earned isk was seized. They were using the mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used, and it was considered an exploit. As far as I am concerned abusing a mechanic in a way that prevents other players from accessing game content is far worse than what the GOONS did. If what the GOONS did was an exploit then so is this. If not then lift the bans of the GOONS accounts and give them back their isk.
You can not really compare this situation to goon exploit in FW, When CCP 1st time implemented lp for kills they clearly stated if someone is going to make money by destroying their alts it will be considered as exploit and CCP will monitor situation.
So those goons really exploited thing that ccp had declared as exploit.
And in this case you claim that corporation is inactive which it is not, some players may be but almost every corporation in EVE has active and inactive members.
If it is exploit to be inactive while in war then ccp should give free game time to all who are in war. |

Bad Messenger
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Posted - 2012.10.31 11:21:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Systems definitely broken, not that I care but it is broken. Soon enough things will be so ****** up that they will have to fix it, right now noone can wardec someone without getting instantly stuck in a perma war with random people who thy never even wardecced. Amusing, but clearly broken.
System is working fine, Reasons are clearly explained on war dec dev blog, current systems eliminates many 'exploits' on old system, there is work around to problem like this is, make a new corp and problem solved.
Funny thing is that same people complained on old system how targets used to make new corporation or used alliance hop trick to evade wardecs who now cry that you can not get rid of wardec anymore when you want.
Old system prevented corporations joining on alliance when they were agressors on war so that is not changed, now allies and mutual wardec gives tools for defender to actually defend and strike back and somehow prevent mindless grifing.
Hopefully on retribution expansion EVE is stepping on new era where true griefers step up to grief wanna be griefers and carebears have tools to strike back.
Hopefully CCP plans to allow actions but add more player action based consequences work well and we get more complex situations where knowing mechanics brings lot of beneifts  |

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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:02:00 -
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Senek4 wrote:Where are this plexes for 1600b/month ? I would gladly stop killing stuff for free in nullsec and relocate the main corp there.
sad to tell but CCP nerfed it already. |

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Posted - 2012.11.09 11:54:00 -
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I like how most players think about every game "devs change game so i can play it !" |
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